This was the promise that ultimately got the kid to jump.
The scene: summer swim lessons at the big public pool nearby.
The actors:
- One six or seven year old boy nervously peering at the water from the top of the 3 meter board
- His mother, watching from below.
The audience: other parents, kids and swim instructors.
Just to set the tone here- I do my very best not to judge other parents for their child-rearing decisions and actions. If parenthood has taught me nothing else- it’s that I have a hard enough time knowing what is right for my kid and my family, and that I have no IDEA what is right for another kid, mom or family…
Having said that, I often find myself observing other parents and kids and then reflecting on my own (sometimes very different) decisions. And then I get curious. So this post today is really coming from a place of curiosity and I’d love to hear your reactions or perspectives in the comments.
So here’s the story… a few weeks ago, I was hanging out at the pool while my son was doing swim lessons. It’s a big pool and there were a bunch of classes running simultaneously. One teacher had her class of what looked to be 5-7 year olds on the diving boards. Some were doing dives off the low board, others were jumping off the high-dive. I watched as one little guy climbed up, up, up the ladder to the high dive, get a peek over the edge and climb back down. A few minutes later, he was up at the top again, nervously inching towards the end of the board.
His mom was down below with her cell phone camera out ready to capture his big moment. Except that it was not at all clear whether today was the day for this particular moment. So she starts in with the usual mommy patter, “Come on Billy, you can do it!”
Billy, meanwhile is holding on to the handrail that extends about half of the lengh of the diving board, looking over the edge again, deciding if he’s going to go out onto the board past the rail, or back down again.
Mom’s still yelling, “You can do it Billy! Come on, it’ll be fun!”
So far there’s nothing too unusual about this scene- we’ve all seen it before. One of our big jobs in life is to encourage our children. (Encourage: to inspire with hope, courage or confidence. Isn’t that what we’re all about as moms?)
But then, she throws in another form of encouragement. The kind that gets people out of bed and off to work in the morning. Now it’s “Come on Billy, you can do it. I’ll give you five dollars if you jump.”
Well, I have to admit that got my attention. For all kinds of reasons.
Way back in the day, when I was a professor and not a parent, I ran across a little book by a guy named Alfe Kohn called Punished by Rewards: The Trouble with Gold Stars, Incentive Plans, A’s, Praise, and Other Bribes. I used it with my undergrads to help them name the games they had become very good at playing to succeed inthe academic world. It’s a great book and I recommend it. Since you probably don’t have it handy, the one sentence takeaway is that studies over many years in many different arenas show that when external rewards are offered for certain behaviors, intrinsic motivation to do those behaviors suffers, even when it was something the person liked and would have done without the reward.
For that reason, among others, I’ve always been really careful about when and how I offer rewards to my son. So I was honestly fascinated to see how this scenario would play out.
What happened was that the mom talk was joined by an auctioneer’s patter. Now it was, “Come on Billy, five bucks. I’ll give you five bucks if you jump. You can do it.” When Billy still was looking uncertain, she upped the ante. Now it was ten bucks. As he inched his way down the length of the board, she’s calling up to him the whole time. ”Ten dollars, come on, Billy. You can do it.” He’s standing at the edge, peering over at the water 10 feet below him. ”Alright, Billy, twenty dollars. I’ll give you twenty dollars if you jump.”
At this point all kinds of thoughts are racing through my mind as I exchange glances with the mom next to me. We’re both kind of watching in disbelief as this scenario unfolds. I have so many questions about this situation, not least of which is, “The kid is only seven, do you really have to double the bet each time? Why not up the ante a dollar at a time and save yourself some money?”
So Billy is standing at the edge of the board, mom is keeping up the chatter and makes what turns out to be the final offer, “OK buddy, tewnty dollars and a webkin. I’ll give you twenty dollars and a webkin if you jump off that board.” And bless his heart, Billy goes for it.
At this point I said to the mom next to me, “I’m not sure that’s such a great precedent to set.” And she replied, “Well I just hope she pays up.”
Right after this happened, I put it out for comment to my Facebook crowd and got an interesting variety of responses. I think because I initially biased the crowd by saying that the mom had ‘bribed’ her son to jump, someone commented that maybe this was just a case of a good mom having a crappy day in public. Even though I clearly had my own opinions about what I might have done in that scenario, my comment that “I’m not sure that’s such a good precedent” wasn’t really intended as a judgment about whether she was a good or bad mom. I was thinking more about the consequences that might result down the line.
A couple of folks on the FB thread pointed out that ‘parenting is the fine art of manipulation’ which certainly seems true- and so there was some discussion about whether jumping off the diving board was the sort of thing that warranted a cash payment. One poster said, “You bribe them for things that are productive, like behaving nicely at Grandma’s house, not for things that are for your entertainment.” A dad chimed in, “Bad precedent. First of all, why bother? He’s 7, he’ll jump when he’s good and ready, or when all his friends are jumping and he’s not… what is being learned here is that if he holds out long enough for things he doesn’t want to do (homework, practice, chores, etc.) mom will ultimately submit to bribery.”
I had some interesting conversations over the next day or so with folks about this and talked to one mom who said that she regularly and successfully used ‘incentives’ with her son.
Honestly, I was beginning to wonder if I was missing something here. There are plenty of areas of life where I want my son to do something he doesn’t want to do. Would offering a reward help?
A week or so later we took a short vacation and stayed in a hotel that had a bowl of Jolly Ranchers in the lobby. I’m probably the meanest mommy I know when it comes to candy, so it was a big deal for AJ to get to eat one or two a day. One night we had come back from dinner and were going to practice violin before bed. (I know… I even make him practice on vacation!). He asked if he could have his candy after practice and I said OK.
When we came home, a couple of days later, he was working on a piece that had really challenging bowing. He asked, “If I get all the bowing right, can I have a Jolly Rancher?” He’d brought a few home with him, and with some trepidation, I agreed.
The first time he played it, he made a few mistakes. I saw his face fall when he said, “I guess that means I don’t get my candy.” I told him he could try again. So he did. He ended up playing it three times before he got all the bowings correct, and he got his candy.
At the time I was thinking, “Wow, maybe I really have missed the boat on this one.” Ordinarily, it would have been hard to get him to play it a second and certainly a third time without that carrot dangling in front of him. But on that night, he would have played it as many times as it took to earn his reward.
So for the next few days, it went like that. We made a deal that if we had a ‘good violin practice’ he could have a small treat (like one cookie) at the end. For a few days, things seemed to be going really well. We were having an easier time with violin and he was more cooperative knowing that a cookie was on the line.
But then the inevetiable happened. A ‘bad’ practice. He was frustrated and had a complete meltdown. I hadn’t said anything about it, but in the middle of his rant, AJ moaned, “And this means I don’t get my cookie tonight.” Which only made him more frustrated and upset. At that point I didn’t want to rush in and tell him he could have the cookie anyway just to calm him down, because that seemed to me to send the worst possible message, namely if you have a meltdown, I’ll do anything to stop it. I’ve seen the consequences of that parental behavior and it’s not pretty!
When he had calmed down, we talked a bit and I told him he could have a cookie if he wanted, and that we were going to stop our experiment of cookies after violin practice. He was bummed because he’d gotten used to having that cookie after practice, but since then it hasn’t come up again.
So here’s my deep, philosophical question: Given that the job of parents is to shape their kid’s behavior, attitudes and motivation, the use of carrots and sticks seems inevitable. How are we to understand the differences (if any) between a ‘bribe’ a ‘reward’ and an ‘incentive’? How have you used these in your family? What works for you, and what doesn’t?

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I feel sadness about the boy and the pool. My feelings are more about his hesitation to jump than about the method used to “encourage” him. Maybe he was afraid or maybe he just wasn’t ready. Why force him to jump if he’s not ready? For me, tt brings up so many issues of “shoulds” and “have tos” and all the negative feelings associated with that.
I have different thoughts regarding your experience with your son and his violin practice. I’ve also offered rewards for results, only to find myself in the same situation you described. Now I offer rewards for attitude and effort rather than results. Try hard, be positive, get the reward. That’s how I want to be rewarded too.
I came to your blog from Joelle Porters fb page -Really interesting. I try not to bribe or incentivise my kids too much, they have to learn to do things correctly/well/timely because that is what is expected, not because there is a reward. That does not mean I have never bribed them, in fact I probably will tonight on our car trip to Ocean City (behave and we’ll get ice cream) My daughter has friends that get $ for grades and this practice drives me crazy!! I have no problem celebrating a good report card, but having a system whereby an A is $20, a B is $15 etc… is just wrong in my opinion.
Great article and even better question!
Mixed bag of results with the incentives program with both of our children (ages 21 and 6).
Our parenting style worked beautifully with our daughter, so many years ago. Those same approaches often are not nearly as effective with our son for whatever reason.
We have had to work really hard to find effective techniques to achieve cooperation with him and many of those approaches work well in the beginning and then falters after a period of time.
I am still grappling with the struggle of not understanding the world according to boys….I was a tomboy for sure but I don’t GET that particular combination of chromosomes and all that goes with them premise of “it’s a boy thing”.
I like what the previous poster had to say…..
“Now I offer rewards for attitude and effort rather than results. Try hard, be positive, get the reward. That’s how I want to be rewarded too”.
I will keep that in mind the next time I am ready to pull out my hair!
Praise and encouragement are the primary rewards for appropriate behavior….but bribes have been known to happen from time to time
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences! It’s clear to me that there’s no one right answer, and one of the challenges of parenting is to be able to evolve our strategies for ‘encouragement’ as we and our kids grow and change.
I have 3 kids 6 years apart in age, two boys and then a girl. None of what “works” with one works with any of the others, it seems. (Good thing they’re so far apart, I guess.)
Personally, I like Kerrie’s approach. Reward the effort, let the results take care of themselves. I like that, and I like to be treated that way.
But deciding the reward is yet another trick, in and of itself. What I finally figured out (about the time the oldest was leaving home) is that the rewards must be considered rewards by the recipient. I have one child who loves praise, public recognition, and making a big deal out of accomplishments, and anything else that is given instead – even money – is not a “real” reward. Then I have another one who would just puke if I made a public (even if public only means ‘out loud’) spectacle out of anything and would prefer cash payments made on the sly, but appreciates anything given in a quiet, sedate manner, including a hug or a high-five, as long as no one is looking. The other one is in the middle somewhere. So when it comes time to reward them, I have to adjust according to whom I’m rewarding if I want it to be effective.
Figuring out what really motivates your kid and how s/he prefers to be rewarded can go a long way toward making sense of it all. At least if you know what they prefer, you can do your best to choose something that is (or is as close to as possible) what they prefer yet that doesn’t make you feel like you’ve just compromised your ethics in the process.
Of course, when you’ve got one that also requires things to be “even” and “fair”….well…yeah…it gets interesting, for sure.
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@Suzanne- I think you’ve nailed it: “Figuring out what motivates your kid and how s/he likes to be rewarded” is really the key. And how this changes over time, and with different kids is what keeps us on our toes!
It has been said by many that people are generally either motivated by moving towards goals, or away from problems, with a few being equally motivated by both. I agree with this and have started modifying my behavior accordingly. What’s not clear to me is when this becomes true. Does this come from DNA or our very own parenting? Is this a case of Shrodingers cat? Inquiring minds would like to know!
Hey Liz! Greetings from Dallas! John got your blog info from Steve this evening, so I thought I’d check it out, and I got really caught up in the articles. I decided to comment here, as I have the same concerns as you do about the reward thing, and I have heard Alfie Kohn in interviews, though I have not read the book. I used a sticker chart for Zachary last year to encourage him to do his homework in pre-K 4. Just little worksheets, but still. Our system though did not involve an immediate reward. He earned a sticker each day he did his homework with no fuss, and we had a quota for how many he had to get for a certain prize/toy from the store. I even broke it down so he could work toward a $5 toy (8 stickers), a $8 one (10 stickers), $10 (12 stickers), and $12 (14 stickers). So, on a bad day, he did not lose the whole reward, just one sticker, and he knew he could try again the next day. Interestingly, he rarely went for the higher dollar things, and often a hot wheels car at the grocery store check out would suffice. Toward the end of the year, I discovered that if I just put out his homework on his little table, he would do it without prompting, and then put his sticker on the chart. So, it seemed to me that we got a good thing going where he was working toward something as opposed to an immediate gratification deal, which motivated him to take it upon himself to do the homework. Of course, he also got lots of praise from us for being so responsible and working so hard, which was his immediate reward. And, I got to be let off the hook nagging him most of the time!
I suspect a few more rules about when homework has to be done will have to be instituted as he gets older, but helping him develop the habit of doing it without being told at an early age was a bonus I stumbled on accidentally, as I certainly did not intend that when I first started putting it out. (Did you ever notice some of the coolest parenting successes seem to be accidental?) It was so neat to see him motivated to do it himself, and I can’t see any harm in him learning to be willing to work for something he wants, whether it is a toy now, a CD player later, or a career choice, especially where he has to work within someone else’s expectations (a teacher’s for homework, a store’s for payment for that CD player, a college admission board, or whatever). In the meantime, he can still have pride in the accomplishment of each day’s work, and in fact, I doubt the sticker chart would be successful if the ONLY reward was the prize, without the daily affirmation of his efforts from us and his teacher.
I think the bigger danger is in the immediate reward that only teaches immediate gratification (truly a bribe), or perhaps immediate disappointment in losing it if you mess up. The all-or-nothing game can be very stressful, especially if the reward is a rarely allowed thing! Perhaps that was the reason the jolly ranchers/cookie worked only briefly for Adrian.
So, that was a longer 2 cents than I intended, but there it is!
@Rachel- So great to see you here! I love a juicy philosophical conversation!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I totally agree that some of our biggest successes come as a result of fortunate accidents! The distinction you make between the all-or-nothing reward and the gradual accumulation resonates for me. I’ll have to give this one some thought! We have started to use a ‘chore chart.’ So far there are no rewards attached, but he checks off the box when he unpacks his backpack, practices violin, does his reading, takes care of feeding/watering the rat, etc. For now, the satisfaction of checking the boxes seems to be enough!
These are questions I wrestle with regularly.
I am familiar with Alfie Kohn – “Unconditional Parenting”, anyway – and I try to avoid using rewards and punishments. This would actually include bribery and incentives, I think. However, I sometimes cross the line, and sometimes flirt with it.
For instance, I have been known to say, “Yes, you can watch that video, right after you clean up the mess you made.” On the one hand, I’m really only setting some expectations and a timeline. On the other hand, I know that if I were to ask the kid to clean AFTER the video it’s not happening. So there is some coercion there, and something of a carrot being dangled.
I am OK with this type of thing in very certain circumstances. Like, say, when my kid is getting a shot, which happens less than once a year. Getting shots are no fun, and so if I offer something fun after, it smooths the situation and it doesn’t set me up for a major downfall. I’m also OK with wiggling timelines to my favour, when the outcome is never in question. So I’m not threatening or that sort of thing. And I’m also OK with laying out expectations in advance – IF you paint, then I expect you to clean up. Beyond that, I try to avoid it, but nobody’s perfect.